One of Roman Sterlingov’s defense attorneys. Tor discusses the prosecution’s use of tracing software, the reliability questions his team raised and the stakes for financial privacy.
E007 coming soon 
Episode 008 · November 17
Free Roman
Sterlingov
Tor Ekeland and Michael Hassard join James Babb to examine the evidence, the assumptions and the human cost of the case against Roman Sterlingov.
Tuesday, November 17 · 8:00 PM EST

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Explore the original interviews ↓The conversation
What connects a person to a privacy service?
Roman Sterlingov’s defense lawyers say the case against him confused using Bitcoin Fog with operating it. In this conversation, Tor Ekeland and Michael Hassard walk James Babb through the evidence they challenged: the transaction tracing, the searches of Roman’s devices and a disputed screenshot taken from an e-book.
They also describe the person behind the prosecution: a friend to people finding their way into Bitcoin, someone who helped newcomers, and a man who came to the United States with a dream of learning to fly. The conversation asks what happens when a person’s life is reduced to a theory about digital transactions.
In this episode
The lawyers who challenged the case.
One of Roman Sterlingov’s defense attorneys. Michael walks through the investigation and the disputed evidence, and shares his experience of getting to know Roman beyond the case.
Hosted by
James Babb
James brings the conversation from technical claims and courtroom arguments back to the person living with their consequences.
View James’s host profile →Show notes + sources
Notes from the conversation.
Roman’s early Bitcoin years
Tor and Michael describe Roman’s introduction to Bitcoin, peer-to-peer transactions and the meetups where he helped newcomers get started.
E008 · 02:02–09:38Using a mixer versus operating it
The guests explain Bitcoin Fog’s privacy function and the distinction they draw between Roman using the service and running it.
E008 · 09:23–10:56A screenshot from an e-book
Michael describes the image introduced as Roman’s chat, how the defense traced it to an e-book and how the statement’s attribution was challenged at trial.
E008 · 21:59–24:07IP overlap and shared connections
Tor describes the IP-address comparison used to connect Roman to Bitcoin Fog and explains why a shared VPN address can identify many users rather than one person.
E008 · 31:41–33:38The appeal and forensic reliability
Tor discusses the appeal, venue, expert testimony and the questions his team raised about tracing-software validation, error rates and false positives.
E008 · 35:18–36:28The price of justice
“The price of justice is eternal publicity.”
James cites Professor Julian Heicklen while discussing community attention and the effort to keep Roman’s case in public view.
James Babb, citing Julian Heicklen · E008 · 37:26–37:41Free Roman
The guests direct listeners to freeroman.org for the case record, interviews, transcripts and ways to support the campaign.
Mentioned in E008 · 53:10–53:34 · Free Roman ↗Tor Ekeland Law
Tor gives his firm’s website when James asks where listeners can find his work.
Mentioned in E008 · 57:04–57:17 · Tor Ekeland Law ↗Further viewing
The original interviews.
Explore the interviews used in our companion clips. These are separate conversations from the E008 episode.
When computers get it wrong.
Naomi Brockwell speaks with Roman in a recorded prison call and examines the case with Tor Ekeland. The interview includes Roman’s account of his friendships, his dream of flying and time away from family.
Naomi Brockwell TV · November 2026 ↗The Disturbing Bitcoin Prosecution of Roman Sterlingov
Tor Ekeland and Michael Hassard discuss the investigation and the disputed tracing evidence at Bitcoin 2023.
Bitcoin Magazine · Bitcoin 2023 · archival ↗The Case of Roman Sterlingov with Tor Ekeland & Mike Hassard
The longer conversation with Roman’s defense lawyers about the investigation, the evidence and the distinction between using Bitcoin Fog and operating it.
Peter McCormack / What Bitcoin Did · May 2023 · archival ↗